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On this date in 430 St. Augustine of Hippo <\/a>died (born 354).<\/p>\n

Yesterday we quoted Frye on Hegel from his student essay written in 1933, “The Augustinian Interpretation of History.”\u00a0 That essay is a good place to start today too.\u00a0 In the essay, by the way, Frye cites a quote from Hegel that might be kept in mind: “We learn from history that we never learn anything from history” (CW <\/em>3, 193).<\/p>\n

First then, for Augustine, the political problem, the collapse of the Roman Empire.\u00a0 It was easy to accuse the upstart religion to which Augustine belonged of having caused the downfall, and the first ten books [of The City of God<\/em>] are taken up with defending the Christians and attacking the pagans.\u00a0 For our present thesis this is important in clearing the ground for the doctrine of the two cities.\u00a0 The immediate, obvious opposition Augustine had to contend with was that of paganism and Christianity; not until that was outlined could the theory of the two cities follow.\u00a0 The latter is an abstract conception of some difficulty, and to introduce it at the outset would upset what balance the book still retains.\u00a0 Although it is not deliberately a philosophy of history, but an apologetic, the germ is there.\u00a0 Almost at once Augustine outlines the essential change that the coming of Christianity has made in the world.\u00a0 Christianity is not responsible for the fall of Rome (I, i), in the sense that the Romans have failed through deserting the gods that could have helped her.\u00a0 These same gods lost Troy (I, iii); how should they preserve Rome?\u00a0 On the other hand, Christianity has brought an entirely new note of gentleness: Rome’s Christian conquerors spared her to an extent which Rome herself never practiced toward her foes (I,ii).\u00a0 In the ancient world there was no idea of anything else than the most brutal revenge in warfare (I, iv).\u00a0 No, the cause of the Roman defeat lay in herself (II), in her essential weakness and wickedness.\u00a0 Her empire, allotted to her as a reward for certain terrestrial virtues (V), such as justice, temperance, courage, and so on–on which Augustine dwells with much enthusiasm–has been forfeited by her vice. (CW<\/em> 3, 200)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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From “Pistis<\/em> and Mythos<\/em>“:<\/p>\n

The Augustinian vision of the church arising out of the chaos of history is a revolutionary view of history, but one which sees secular authority as fulfilled by spiritual authority.<\/p>\n

Beginning with Hegel and Marx we get an immanent or donkey’s-carrot view of history which sees history as containing within itself a counterhistorical force which is actually the real, though concealed, historical process.\u00a0 This is hitched on to some future epiphany, whether a classless society or the manifestation of God.<\/p>\n

The contrast of Augustinian and Hegelian views is part of a larger shift in thought.\u00a0 Man lives in two worlds, the world given him by nature, and the world of culture or civilization he constructs.\u00a0 Down to about the eighteenth century, God was thought of as taking charge of the order of nature and also as the creator of the forms of human civilization (the city and the garden), hence the two worlds could not be separated.<\/p>\n

For the last two centuries religious thought has been shifting to the world constructed by man, and away from the given world of the physical environment.<\/p>\n

In the Bible human history (Weltsgeschichte<\/em>) makes no sense; only Heilsgeschichte <\/em>[salvation history] makes sense, but Heilsgeschichte<\/em> is a counterhistorical process concealed within the rise and fall of empires, and cannot be described in historical language.\u00a0 In contemporary terms it might be defined as the positive or genuine human activity, as distinct from making war and feeding parasites, which goes in the direction of the spiritual transformation of man, symbolized in Christianity by the Resurrection. (CW<\/em> 4, 7)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

From The Double Vision<\/em>:<\/p>\n

We may talk about a beginning and an end to time, but we cannot realize such things in our imaginations.\u00a0 Whether we speak of a creation by God which began in time (that is, our experience of time) or of a big bang many billions of years ago, the human mind cannot help thinking that there must have been time “before” that.\u00a0 St. Augustine was bothered by this question, which he raises several times, notably in a famous passage in the Confessions<\/em>, where in effect he answers the question, “What was God doing before creation?” by saying, “Preparing a hell for those who ask such a question.”\u00a0 If we were to guess at the repressed elements in the saint’s mind when he wrote this, they might well have run something like this: If you ask God what happened before time, you embarrass God, who probably won’t know either, and as God hates to be embarrassed, you are risking a good deal by asking.\u00a0 (CW<\/em> 4, 199)<\/p>\n

There is certainly a demonic state of being, but it appears to be really an intensification of the human one.\u00a0 Conceivably the divine state is too, or, at least, progress in human love might be thought to bring us to the point of identity with God.\u00a0 Traditional Christianity tends rather to follow the view, which goes back to Augustine at least, that the advance of the spirit, wherever it leads, certainly makes us more authentically human.\u00a0 (ibid., 232)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

From the “Third Book” Notebooks<\/em>:<\/p>\n

The Roman intellectuals of the later Empire said that gods were imaginative creations of man.\u00a0 Hence there was no limit to their creation: every phenomenon that repeated itself could be deified.\u00a0\u00a0 Hence the catalogue satire in St. Augustine.\u00a0 One could raise the question of psychological archetypes: what gods “exist” in the sense of being projected mental states?\u00a0 This is Blake’s preoccupation.\u00a0 There is an interesting analogy with saints in Catholicism.\u00a0 When the Pope says that St. George & St. Christopher never existed, that is a question, or could be, of historical fact.\u00a0 But when he goes on to say that it’s all right to venerate them even if they never existed, that raises some very complex epistemological problems.\u00a0 Surely once the distinction between divine revelation and human imagination, and the corresponding contrast in what they create, is given up, traditional Christianity pretty well goes down the drain, and you can no longer ignore the challenge of Blake’s identification of the two.\u00a0 (CW<\/em> 9, 238-9)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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