{"id":1658,"date":"2009-09-03T11:20:30","date_gmt":"2009-09-03T15:20:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca\/?p=1658"},"modified":"2009-09-03T11:20:30","modified_gmt":"2009-09-03T15:20:30","slug":"comment-frye-and-hawken","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/2009\/09\/03\/comment-frye-and-hawken\/","title":{"rendered":"Comment: Frye and Hawken"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Clayton Chrusch’s comment on Ian Sloan’s post <\/a>about Frye and Hawken deserves to be brought forward:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

I really appreciate this post because it questions how Frye can be personally and socially relevant, which is what I am concerned about.<\/p>\n

Here is my take, based on my limited understanding of Frye.<\/p>\n

I think one of Frye\u2019s contributions is as an historian of the imaginaton (that\u2019s not quite the right term, since Frye does not try to make a rigourous historical case for anything). He gives a historical-imaginative context for the kind of changes he and Paul Hawken are describing. In particular, he sees people\u2019s imaginations as being shaped by imaginative cosmologies. By cosmology, he meant simple mental pictures, almost diagrams, that structure almost everything about how we imagine the world. There have been two cosmologies historically (Blake was the prophet of the second one but he also saw beyond it) and Frye suggested that third was on the way. All three can be traced to the Bible.<\/p>\n

My understanding is that the first two are vertical cosmologies. The first is the authoritarian cosmology with god\/father\/king figure and all legitimate authority at the top and the devil\/child\/slave, and everything legitimately subject to authority at the bottom.<\/p>\n

The second is the revolutionary cosmology and it is formally a parody of the first, where the figure at the top is seen as as a tyrant or a fool and the bottom is reservoir of creative (and destructive) energy. The second cosmology informed Freud\u2019s view of the subconscious, and Marx\u2019s view of the proletariat. Frye also mentions Nietzche here. So all the dominant worldviews of the 20th century come out of ideas developed in the 19th-early 20th century, having their origin in this major cosmological shift heralded by Blake at the end of the 18th.<\/p>\n

Frye saw the third cosmology as interpenetrative, an Indra\u2019s net<\/a> where connectedness, identity, and equality within the context of incredible diversity replace the dominance, alienation, inequality, and uniformity of the first two cosmologies. It is a non-ideological cosmology because it is not hierarchical. Because it is non-ideological, it can make primary concerns<\/a> truly primary.<\/p>\n

If I had to make a judgement on the interpenetrative cosmology, I would say that we haven\u2019t discovered its full potential yet, but it is hard for me to believe it is a new mold in which all of our imaginative structures from now on can be formed. I think we still need the first two cosmologies as well as the third. But because the third is new, it will be the source of real and good imaginative innovations that we have not yet seen.<\/p>\n

I haven\u2019t read the book by Paul Hawken, but perhaps he is one of these innovators.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Clayton Chrusch’s comment on Ian Sloan’s post about Frye and Hawken deserves to be brought forward: I really appreciate this post because it questions how Frye can be personally and socially relevant, which is what I am concerned about. Here is my take, based on my limited understanding of Frye. 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