{"id":2630,"date":"2009-09-16T10:05:35","date_gmt":"2009-09-16T14:05:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca\/?p=2630"},"modified":"2009-09-16T10:05:35","modified_gmt":"2009-09-16T14:05:35","slug":"re-frye-and-joseph","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/2009\/09\/16\/re-frye-and-joseph\/","title":{"rendered":"Re: Frye and Joseph"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-2631\" src=\"http:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2009\/09\/mann.jpg\" alt=\"mann\" width=\"244\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2009\/09\/mann.jpg 305w, https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2009\/09\/mann-183x300.jpg 183w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 244px) 100vw, 244px\" \/>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Sara, that\u2019s a really <a href=\"http:\/\/fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca\/2009\/09\/15\/sara-toth-why-did-frye-dislike-the-joseph-of-genesis\/\" target=\"_blank\">interesting post<\/a>. Frye quotes Genesis 49:22, \u201cJoseph is a fruitful bough\u201d recurrently as one of his standard examples of metaphor, which is a bit odd in terms of his view of the story! What you say suggests that he read the Joseph story more \u201crealistically\u201d than he usually does with the biblical text. On that level, Joseph is not the most appealing character: he \u201cbrought a bad report\u201d to Jacob of the handmaids\u2019 sons, and he follows this with the egocentric and even blasphemous dreams. (When I teach this story in my Bible and Literature course, I find very divergent responses to Joseph.)<\/p>\n<p>Frye would obviously have been aware of the theory that the Joseph story represents the interpolation of Egyptian material into the narrative: I wonder whether he thought it was discordant with the rest of the story?<\/p>\n<p>You mention that the Joseph story is generally highly regarded, and I also wonder whether Frye comments anywhere on the greatest retelling of it, and one of the great modern works inspired by the Bible, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Joseph_and_His_Brothers\" target=\"_blank\">Thomas Mann\u2019s Joseph tetralogy<\/a>. I think this is one of the most neglected masterpieces of modern literature \u2013 perhaps partly because of its forbidding length.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Samuel_(Bible)\" target=\"_blank\">Samuel<\/a> was another biblical character whom Frye did not like!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Sara, that\u2019s a really interesting post. Frye quotes Genesis 49:22, \u201cJoseph is a fruitful bough\u201d recurrently as one of his standard examples of metaphor, which is a bit odd in terms of his view of the story! What you say suggests that he read the Joseph story more \u201crealistically\u201d than he usually does with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":23,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2630","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bible"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Re: Frye and Joseph - The Educated Imagination<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/2009\/09\/16\/re-frye-and-joseph\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Re: Frye and Joseph - The Educated Imagination\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"\u00a0 Sara, that\u2019s a really interesting post. 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