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\"losfront\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Blake’s <\/em>Song of Los<\/p>\n

Response to S\u00e1ra T\u00f3th,\u00a0 Joe Adamson, and Bob Denham<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/strong>These responses appear suddenly and unexpectedly, like fairy rings on the front lawn:\u00a0 you wake up in the morning, and there they are.\u00a0 Most gratifying, particularly when one\u2019s respondents are as stimulating as S\u00e1ra T\u00f3th<\/a>, Joe Adamson<\/a>, and Bob Denham<\/a>.\u00a0 I begin to see the uses of this blog thing:\u00a0 it has a rhythm of its own, quite different from academic criticism.<\/p>\n

Joe, I thank you for reminding us of that passage from Creation and Recreation<\/em>, as it is probably Frye\u2019s most extended treatment of the concept of spiritual otherness.\u00a0 Both Joe and S\u00e1ra point to the dialectical nature of Frye\u2019s later thought, and that puts its finger on something central. The Late Notebooks show that Words with Power<\/em> was going to be organized according to a \u201cdialectic of Word and Spirit.\u201d\u00a0 I keep wondering why that dropped largely out of the final book\u2014especially as it is still there implicitly.\u00a0 Is S\u00e1ra right that there are signs of occasional vacillation on Frye\u2019s part?<\/p>\n

She is definitely correct about Frye\u2019s vacillation on the subject of kerygma.\u00a0 Another thing I like about the blog is that I feel free to introduce occasional anecdotes that are, I hope, instructive, yet which would be out of place in a more formal setting.\u00a0 In the later Eighties, some time after the appearance of The Great Code<\/em>, I managed to work up my nerve to question Frye about what seemed an either-or distinction in that book between literature and kerygmatic <\/em>rhetoric.\u00a0 I asked him whether literature couldn\u2019t at times take on a kerygmatic quality.\u00a0 Frye was tactful, but wouldn\u2019t back down.\u00a0 He used as example the refrain from the Bard\u2019s Song in Blake\u2019s Milton<\/em>:\u00a0 \u201cMark my words! They are of your eternal salvation!\u201d\u00a0 Notwithstanding, Frye told me, since that assertion appears in a work of literature, we take it hypothetically.\u00a0 This is why The Great Code <\/em>insists that the Bible is not a work of art.\u00a0 I was somewhat troubled by this, for personal as well as intellectual reasons.\u00a0 Certain works of literature, even certain passages, have changed me, have changed my life.\u00a0 For that matter, certain passages of Frye have changed my life:\u00a0 I have had the \u201cThis is for me\u201d response Frye speaks of as characteristic of kerygma; the passages have become \u201cmyths to live by.\u201d\u00a0 So I read Chapter Four of Words with Power <\/em>with delighted surprise.\u00a0 Frye just about never admitted that he changed his mind\u2014but he did.\u00a0 I am much more satisfied with the treatment in the later book, in which literature can sometimes take on kerygmatic qualities and, presumably, kerygmatic works such as the Bible can exhibit literary qualities.\u00a0 The latter would take Frye full circle to Fearful Symmetry<\/em>, which says in no uncertain terms that the Bible is a work of art, not just a code of art.\u00a0 To be sure, Frye is speaking there from Blake\u2019s perspective, but there is no indication that he does not share it.<\/p>\n

As for the question of criticism as science, I am betting that that is fuel for at least three dozen blog entries–starting with this one.\u00a0 I concede that Frye did talk sometimes as if he felt that criticism could be organized on an empirical basis, like science.\u00a0 He was clearly irritated when he said in \u201cExpanding Eyes<\/a>\u201d that \u201cThe order of words is there, all right, and there is no use writing it off as a private hallucination of my own.\u201d\u00a0 Harold Bloom had just got done comparing him to Proclus and Iamblichus\u2014private hallucinators, in Frye\u2019s book.\u00a0 But he did seem to retain as late as 1975 a faith that we could achieve some consensus by showing repeated patterns \u201cin the text.\u201d\u00a0 However, criticism for at least a decade before that had been insisting on exactly the opposite:\u00a0 what seems to be \u201cin the text\u201d is a product of ideology or interpretive communities operating upon authors, readers, and critics alike.\u00a0 This is why talk of a \u201cscientific\u201d criticism seems so dated now.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

But whether that means Frye was behind or ahead of the times is a question.\u00a0 It is not only because we are on the other side of the post-structuralist divide in the humanities that makes Frye\u2019s talk of a scientific element in criticism seem so quaint.\u00a0 Since 1957, science itself has changed.\u00a0 In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, two attitudes battled for dominance in science, mechanistic materialism and visionary speculation.\u00a0 When Frye spoke of \u201cscience\u201d in the Anatomy<\/em>, he had in mind scientists like Einstein, who published essays on his own brand of spirituality; like Erwin Schroedinger<\/a>; like Wolfgang Pauli<\/a>, who collaborated with Jung; Frye\u00a0 also had in mind philosophers of science like Sir James Jeans<\/a> and Alfred North Whitehead<\/a>.\u00a0 These men were all visionaries, scientific versions of Frye himself:\u00a0 Frye\u2019s discussion of the order of words in fact comes directly from Whitehead\u2019s discussion of the order of nature in Science and the Modern World<\/em>.\u00a0 This kind of bold, often spiritual speculation has been pushed to the margins of science.\u00a0 Science now means Richard Dawkins<\/a> saying that religion is a dangerous menace\u2014there is no doubt that, on one level, contemporary scientific reductionism is a backlash against the rise of the Christian Right.\u00a0 It means Dawkins\u2019 friend, the philosopher Daniel Dennett<\/a>, saying that there is no such thing as consciousness:\u00a0 we are all just computer programming.\u00a0 Visionary speculation has been consigned to the realm of \u201ckook books\u201d\u2014which is why we see Frye reading books about the holographic paradigm<\/a> and what not in his later years.\u00a0 It was only there that he could find what he was looking for.\u00a0 One of the places he found something akin to his idea of an otherness that was not objective, empirical, and material was in David Bohm, with his idea of an \u201cimplicate order\u201d that is \u201cenfolded\u201d within the objective material order of nature.\u00a0 Bohm was a genuine physicist and not a kook\u2014but it was the \u201ckook book\u201d crowd that took him up, not his fellow scientists.\u00a0 Most of the passages Bob catalogues about otherworldly entities, including angels, are religious or occult speculations working from the other side of the fence.\u00a0 There is a great deal to be thought about in these passages, many of which I had forgotten.\u00a0 Bob is our true anatomist, compiling encyclopedic catalogues of information that, simply by the act of being brought together in one place, take on an enormously suggestive quality.\u00a0 Some of these answer my question in an earlier post about how Frye can think that Helen has become an angel in Christian heaven.\u00a0 (No, there is no angel named \u201cDolzani.\u201d\u00a0 But I have wondered all my life about Frye\u2019s question\u2014why is<\/em> Michael the only angel who is also a saint?).<\/p>\n

I myself think that, in Frye\u2019s terms, the order of words is \u201cthere\u201d as the Resurrection was (is) there.\u00a0 I am thinking of the passages Bob quotes in which Frye says that, if we had been eyewitnesses to the Nativity, we would not have heard the angels singing; if we had seen Job in his restoration, we would only have seen a pitiful old man with boils.\u00a0 In a passage of Blake\u2019s Jerusalem <\/em>that has always been kerygmatic for me, it is said that Los reads the stars of Albion; his Spectre can only read the void between the stars.\u00a0 Exactly.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Blake’s Song of Los Response to S\u00e1ra T\u00f3th,\u00a0 Joe Adamson, and Bob Denham These responses appear suddenly and unexpectedly, like fairy rings on the front lawn:\u00a0 you wake up in the morning, and there they are.\u00a0 Most gratifying, particularly when one\u2019s respondents are as stimulating as S\u00e1ra T\u00f3th, Joe Adamson, and Bob Denham.\u00a0 I begin […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":32,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[87,88,92,141,150],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7313","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-kerygma","category-kook-books","category-literary-criticism","category-science","category-spirtual-vision"],"yoast_head":"\nThe Void Between the Stars - 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