{"id":7383,"date":"2010-01-20T18:17:14","date_gmt":"2010-01-20T22:17:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca\/?p=7383"},"modified":"2010-01-20T18:17:14","modified_gmt":"2010-01-20T22:17:14","slug":"frye-and-science","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/2010\/01\/20\/frye-and-science\/","title":{"rendered":"Frye and Science"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-7479\" src=\"http:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2010\/01\/050405_einstein_tongue.widec_.jpg\" alt=\"050405_einstein_tongue.widec\" width=\"238\" height=\"297\" srcset=\"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2010\/01\/050405_einstein_tongue.widec_.jpg 298w, https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2010\/01\/050405_einstein_tongue.widec_-240x300.jpg 240w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 238px) 100vw, 238px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>In Notebook 27 Frye writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I\u2019m giving up the \u201cscience\u201d bit in <em>AC<\/em>: it\u2019s impossible to explain to this generation of critics what I mean.\u00a0 I never did have the analogy of the physical sciences in mind: the model was always social science, man studying himself.\u00a0 What I thought of was a merging of criticism with semiotics and linguistics.\u00a0 When critics keep saying that there can\u2019t be a science of criticism, what they\u2019re really saying is \u201cI can\u2019t and won\u2019t write this kind of criticism,\u201d and I can\u2019t say they\u2019re wrong because I can\u2019t &amp; won\u2019t write it myself.\u00a0 People will write it some day, and I thought it might be a good thing to alert the critics of the 50\u2019s to the ultimate end of what they were actually doing.\u00a0 But if it\u2019s just a prophecy with no present practical use, the hell with it. (<em>CW<\/em> 5, 85)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As Michael Dolzani <a href=\"https:\/\/fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca\/wp-admin\/post.php?action=edit&amp;post=7313\" target=\"_blank\">says<\/a>, Frye\u2019s scientific heroes were of the visionary kind\u2013\u2013<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Alfred_North_Whitehead\" target=\"_blank\">Whitehead<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/James_Hopwood_Jeans\" target=\"_blank\">Jeans<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Samuel_Alexander\" target=\"_blank\"> Alexander<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/David_Bohm\" target=\"_blank\"> Bohm<\/a>.\u00a0 I\u2019ve always wondered whether Frye was familiar with the paradigm theory in Thomas Kuhn\u2019s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions\" target=\"_blank\">The Structure of Scientific Revolutions<\/a>\u2013\u2013<\/em>a theory that would seem to have attracted him.\u00a0 He owned a copy of the book, but I think there\u2019s no evidence that he ever read it, though he seems to have discussed it in an interview with Gilbert Reid.\u00a0 Frye had more than a casual interest in science fiction and in the views of new\u2011age scientists\u2013\u2013what he called \u201cthe Tao of physics people\u201d (<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ken_Wilber#Bibliography\" target=\"_blank\">Ken Wilber<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fritjof_Capra\" target=\"_blank\">Fritjof Capra<\/a>, et al.).<\/p>\n<p>Frye was familiar with several popular accounts of science.\u00a0 He read C.P. Snow\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Two_Cultures\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Two Cultures<\/em><\/a>, James Gleick\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chaos_%28book%29\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Chaos: Making a New Science<\/em><\/a>, Isaac Asimov\u2019s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Intelligent_Man%27s_Guide_to_Science\" target=\"_blank\">The Intelligent Man\u2019s Guide to Science<\/a> <\/em>and <em>The Neutrino: Ghost Particle of the Atom<\/em>, and he read as well several of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Carl_Sagan\" target=\"_blank\">Carl Sagan<\/a>\u2019s books (<em>Bocca\u2019s Brain<\/em>, <em>The Cosmic Connection<\/em>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Dragons_of_Eden\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Dragons of Eden<\/em><\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Frye\u2019s library contains annotated editions of a wide variety of other books on science, including<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Edwin_Arthur_Burtt\" target=\"_blank\"> Edwin Burtt<\/a>\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.ca\/books?id=Uh370K68CaIC&amp;pg=PA120&amp;lpg=PA120&amp;dq=Edwin+Burtt%E2%80%99s+The+Metaphysical+Foundations+of+Modern+Physical+Science&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=JbY0Udy-FH&amp;sig=jYIjY_nm9ZwILpnkACZwZvO9kd4&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=0HZXS8bFKY3P8QanqaHBAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Physical Science<\/em><\/a>, Stewart Copinger Easton\u2019s <em>Roger Bacon and His Search for a Universal Science<\/em>, David Hay\u2019s <em>Exploring Inner Space: Scientists and Religious Experience<\/em>, his colleague John Irving\u2019s <em>Science and Values<\/em>, Gordon N. Patterson, <em>Message from Infinity: A Space-age Correlation of Science and Religion<\/em>, and Rudy Rucker\u2019s, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Infinity_and_the_Mind\" target=\"_blank\">Infinity and the Mind: The Science and Philosophy of the Infinit<\/a>e. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Books that Frye owned but did not annotate include <a href=\"http:\/\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tobias Dantzig<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.ca\/books?id=Pg_RKtlVlNMC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=Tobias+Dantzig,+Number&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=jNgPt3B6Gu&amp;sig=byGmP1fmZD9M9RA6xCUPA4x3bZo&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=rHhXS4L-BNCl8AbV9YzPAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ved=0CAsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Number: The Language of Science<\/em><\/a><em>: A Critical Survey Written for the Cultured Non-mathematician<\/em>, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Karl_Pearson\" target=\"_blank\">Karl Pearson<\/a>\u2019s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.ca\/books?id=iau-eIWOtzMC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=Karl+Pearson%E2%80%99s+The+Grammar+of+Science&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=rJ6mkzvEfl&amp;sig=DPV0suqVEGIyHweHLYLdJ-Ua2Zs&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=b3lXS8aUN4LT8QahwPTEAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false\" target=\"_blank\">The Grammar of Scienc<\/a>e<\/em>, Oliver R. Reiser\u2019s <em>The Integration of Human Knowledge: A Study of the Formal Foundations and the Social Implications of Unified Science<\/em> and <em>Unified Symbolism for World Understanding in Science,<\/em> and <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Conrad_Hal_Waddington\" target=\"_blank\">C.H. Waddington<\/a>\u2019s <em>The Scientific Attitude<\/em>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>At school I was taught that substances keeping form &amp; volume were solids, those keeping volume but not form liquids, &amp; those keeping neither gas.\u00a0 Even then I could see that there ought to be a fourth class keeping form but not volume.\u00a0 And there is a tradition, though admittedly a very speculative one, which says that there is a fourth class of this kind, &amp; the one that includes all organisms or living beings.\u00a0 Also, that just as solids, liquids &amp; gases have a symbolic connexion with, respectively, earth, water &amp; air, so organisms, especially warm-blooded animals, are units of imprisoned fire.\u00a0 (CW 13, 208)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Notebook 27 Frye writes: I\u2019m giving up the \u201cscience\u201d bit in AC: it\u2019s impossible to explain to this generation of critics what I mean.\u00a0 I never did have the analogy of the physical sciences in mind: the model was always social science, man studying himself.\u00a0 What I thought of was a merging of criticism [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":24,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[16,141],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7383","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bob-denham","category-science"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - 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