{"id":7514,"date":"2010-01-21T15:06:44","date_gmt":"2010-01-21T19:06:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca\/2010\/01\/21\/report-from-the-frye-festival-2-by-edward-lemond\/"},"modified":"2010-01-21T15:06:44","modified_gmt":"2010-01-21T19:06:44","slug":"report-from-the-frye-festival-2-by-edward-lemond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/2010\/01\/21\/report-from-the-frye-festival-2-by-edward-lemond\/","title":{"rendered":"Update from the Frye Festival"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2010\/01\/fp-logo6.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-7516\" src=\"http:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2010\/01\/fp-logo6.png\" alt=\"fp-logo\" width=\"415\" height=\"333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2010\/01\/fp-logo6.png 415w, https:\/\/macblog.mcmaster.ca\/fryeblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2010\/01\/fp-logo6-300x240.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 415px) 100vw, 415px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>One of the delights we have every April is introducing Frye to authors who have never heard of him and are curious to know more, as happened, for example, when Bernhard Schlink was here in 2004.  Sometimes we are surprised when an author reveals a personal connection to Frye that we didn\u2019t know about.  Last year <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Don_McKay\" target=\"_blank\">Don McKay<\/a>, one of Canada\u2019s great poets, took delight in telling the story of his mother\u2019s encounter with Frye in the 1930s, when she took a class from him that influenced her at the time and later, toward the end of her own life, came back to inspire her when she wrote her memoirs.  Andy Wainwright, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ross_Leckie\" target=\"_blank\">Ross Leckie<\/a>, and others studied with Frye and have fond memories.  Peter Sanger has a longstanding interest in Frye; and, unless I\u2019m mistaken, also studied with him.  <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Richard_Ford\" target=\"_blank\">Richard Ford<\/a> was familiar with Frye from his student days in the 60s.  (Ford\u2019s complete conversation with Globe and Mail\u2019s Books Editor Martin Levin can be seen via the festival website\u2019s U-Tube link.)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Robert_Bly\" target=\"_blank\">Robert Bly<\/a>, who was here in 2001, said, in accepting our invitation, \u201cFrye is one of my favorite people.\u201d  There\u2019s a lot of common ground between the two that would be worth exploring, even if the direct influence each way is perhaps minimal.  Blake\u2019s \u201cthe tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction\u201d is where they both begin, in their thinking about education.  The idea of freedom is at the centre of everything they do.  Neither shies from talking about and mapping the spiritual world, even when such activity is out of fashion.  But what especially interests me is Bly\u2019s idea of \u2018deep image\u2019 in comparison with Frye\u2019s analysis of existential or ecstatic metaphor.  Though \u2018deep image\u2019 suggests a location in the psyche, Bly prefers to think of the image as a place \u201cwhere psychic energy is free to move around\u201d (as quoted in Kevin Bushell\u2019s essay \u201cLeaping Into the Unknown: the Poetics of Robert Bly\u2019s Deep Image\u201d).  Frye says, \u201cMetaphor is the attempt to open up a channel or current of energy between subject and object\u201d (as quoted in Bob Denham\u2019s <em>Northrop Frye: Religious Visionary and Architect of the Spiritual World<\/em>, p. 70).  Ecstatic metaphor, at the top of the ladder of metaphorical experience, creates \u201ca sense of presence, a sense of uniting ourselves with something else\u201d (Frye words, as quoted by Bob Denham, p. 72).  The free flow of psychic energy is what counts for both.  For Bly (at least the early Bly) a true or authentic poem has to involve the \u201cleap\u201d from the conscious, everyday world to the unconscious, universal world.  For Frye it\u2019s the gap between subject and object that\u2019s obliterated in ecstatic metaphor.  Frye\u2019s is, if anything, a more expansive concept.<\/p>\n<p>Over the years Bly moved deeper and deeper into the study of Jung and Jung\u2019s concept of the unconscious.  Throughout the nineties he worked with the Jungian analyst <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marion_Woodman\" target=\"_blank\">Marion Woodman<\/a> and in 1998 they published their book <em>The Maiden King<\/em>.  Frye\u2019s interest in Jung was also deep and important.  As Bob Denham says, \u201cFrye sometimes expressed anxieties about being considered a Jungian, but he was much more deeply immersed in Jungian thought than is commonly imagined\u201d (<em>Religious Visionary<\/em>, p. 196).  Jung\u2019s <em>Psychology and Alchemy<\/em> is a rich source for Frye, as Bob Denham wonderfully recounts.  \u201cIn <em>Anatomy of Criticism<\/em>, alchemy is seen as a repository of archetypes (rose, stone, elixir, flower, jewel, fire).\u201d  (<em>Religious Visionary<\/em>, p. 194).<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>So I\u2019ve come to the word \u201carchetype\u201d, which is where I want to be, for the purposes of this report, because our invited speaker for this year at the Frye symposium is Craig Stephenson, a Jungian analyst based in Paris, France.  He will talk to us about Frye and Jung and help us along in our understanding of the connection.  As the earlier blog discussion of \u2018archetype\u2019 and \u2018archetypal criticism\u2019 makes clear, Frye\u2019s use of the word \u2018archetype\u2019 is very different from Jung\u2019s.  Joseph Adamson, in a posted response to Clayton Chrusch, <a href=\"http:\/\/fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca\/2009\/10\/27\/re-five-questions-about-archetype\/\" target=\"_blank\">explains<\/a>: \u201cFrye\u2019s use is very different from Jung because archetypes are based on conventions of story-telling, not on something like the collective unconscious: more like a cultural collective consciousness picked up from our experience of literature, and unconscious only in the sense that our familiarity with archetypes is often unconscious the same way our use of language is; it involves a complex learned skill, which becomes habitual and inferentially compressed and stored in something like a zip file in our brains.\u201d  Bob Denham quotes Frye\u2019s entry in <em>The Harper Handbook to Literature<\/em>:  \u201cIn modern literary criticism archetype means a recurring or repeating unit, normally an image, which indicates that a poet is following a certain convention or working in a certain GENRE.\u201d  And again, from the same entry: \u201cThus the archetype is a manifestation of the extraordinary allusiveness of literature: the fact, for example, that all wars in literature gain poetic resonance by being associated with the Trojan War.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What Craig Stephenson will say in his talk here is still a mystery to us.  Will he find similarities or differences between Frye and Jung that have gone unnoticed, unreported?  Will the recently published <em>The Red Book<\/em> shed new light?  Craig Stephenson\u2019s own recently published book, <em>Possession: Jung\u2019s Comparative Anatomy of the Psyche<\/em>, might give me some clue, but I am still waiting for my copy.  Will the concept of archetype come up at all?  Or will the concept of possession provide a fresh, important connecting link between these two giants of the 20th century?  In three months, the evening of Wednesday, April 21, Craig Stevenson will, we hope, give us answers to these and other questions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the delights we have every April is introducing Frye to authors who have never heard of him and are curious to know more, as happened, for example, when Bernhard Schlink was here in 2004. 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